tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3624489905439284137.post4981191664324742340..comments2023-12-08T16:12:54.869-06:00Comments on The Tigress's Second Den: Viewer 1 is officially on borrowed timeTonya Southerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14697801744191587576noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3624489905439284137.post-2766758760908945392012-07-24T06:04:09.942-05:002012-07-24T06:04:09.942-05:00Siana, I am in no way trying to harm you, your tea...Siana, I am in no way trying to harm you, your team, or your viewer. Please do your best to prove me wrong by keeping Singularity around. But that's just it: you have to prove it. I refuse to let you or anyone else intimidate me from calling it as I see it.<br /><br />I will be happy to see Singularity stick around for the long term. If you throw in the towel at some point in the future, we will all be poorer for it. Even so, it is my considered opinion that you will find yourself doing just that.<br /><br />Now, if you don't like my opinion, then that's fine. People disagree all the time. But I am not threatening you or your project by speaking out. I will not sit idly by and watch you harm the project I've given nearly two years of my life to because you don't like what I say. You're not in any sort of fight anywhere outside your own head.<br /><br />Yet.<br /><br />Nemo me impune lacessit.Tonya Southerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14697801744191587576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3624489905439284137.post-16898170596003526522012-07-24T01:47:35.596-05:002012-07-24T01:47:35.596-05:00Tonya, i've said before, and i'll say it a...Tonya, i've said before, and i'll say it again. For Singularity codebase, it just keeps getting simpler, not harder to keep up. And i think what you're doing is an attempt to undermine your rivals.<br /><br />Now go ahead and try to think of any attempt i made to harm Phoenix or Firestorm. You wouldn't be able to, cause i NEVER did!<br /><br />But try me again, and i just might!Siana Gearzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11486425935212320604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3624489905439284137.post-79919693115808252522012-07-23T19:51:48.245-05:002012-07-23T19:51:48.245-05:00Well, I *did* say that Siana would probably, and H...Well, I *did* say that Siana would probably, and Henri might, update their code. (I've since spoken to Henri. He still thinks the Current Outfit folder is hazardous, but he'll do it if it's required to keep running on SL.) <br /><br />At some point, though, I think the work will just be too much.Tonya Southerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14697801744191587576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3624489905439284137.post-4085166228928422722012-07-23T16:56:37.463-05:002012-07-23T16:56:37.463-05:00Tonya comes with a prediction of doom for V1 viewe...Tonya comes with a prediction of doom for V1 viewers on regular basis. She's been wrong every single time including this.<br /><br />All of the LL's plans she outlines are correct, but there is nothing stopping developers of Cool VL Viewer or Singularity to adopt those changes. At this point much of their code is V3 anyway so merging in those changes is no more difficult than merging then into Firestorm.<br /><br />V1 viewers will as long as there are people willing to keep them up to date, and not a minute sooner, no matter what protocol changes Linden Lab introduces.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3624489905439284137.post-69486908201043639842012-07-22T14:55:47.505-05:002012-07-22T14:55:47.505-05:00Character Meshes and Morphs was removed from Phoen...Character Meshes and Morphs was removed from Phoenix because it ciuld be used as a content theft tool. The other festures you mention have the same ability. We are planning to put import/export in Firestorm in a way that protects content creators' rights; that's something I want to see too. Even so, you should plan for the time when the tools you use now quit working.Tonya Southerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14697801744191587576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3624489905439284137.post-72248164325903356692012-07-22T11:17:44.428-05:002012-07-22T11:17:44.428-05:00I make creature avatars for SL theater and machini...I make creature avatars for SL theater and machinima makers. I use Phoenix 1.5 to download Character Meshes and Morphs, so I can texture my anthropomorphized shapes as obj files in PhotoShop, the Dolphin Viewer for easy import/export of avatar shapes and layers, and Imprudence to import and export to my lands in other grids. I WOULD LOVE to switch to a 3.0 viewer if I could do those three things in one viewer. But I can't, so I can't.Ada Radiushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00571761603299295182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3624489905439284137.post-67463206678249609262012-07-22T09:14:19.773-05:002012-07-22T09:14:19.773-05:00Archangel, for someone who speaks of "how peo...Archangel, for someone who speaks of "how people respond to your baloney", you sure throw around a lot of it yourself. If you'd quit accusing people of lying for merely disagreeing with you, you'd get a lot better responses yourself.<br /><br />Don't believe me about what LL plans? Go listen to the recording yourself. That's why I linked it. It's on a Linden site, so I can't have edited it. Oz lays it all out in black and white.<br /><br />The usage of Firestorm is rapidly approaching that of Phoenix, and the trend line has them crossing very soon. As for the NWN statistics, did you read all of those stories? Hamlet and I went round and round on his methodology.<br /><br />And how do you know what I know for a fact? Are you a mind reader? Yes, there are people out there who have problems with stability. There are far more who report that Firestorm 4.1 is the most stable they've ever used. The user interface is not the unusable mess it always has been; it's been reworked by LL, and then reworked again by us. It's customizable to a degree Phoenix never was. Don't like it? Change it!<br /><br />Yes, it uses more resources. It also does more. Yes, it crashes, far more than I as an old mainframer consider acceptable. We're working on that, and 4.1 is already the least crashy viewer on the grid.<br /><br />I understand finances are tight. I have the same problem myself. Even so, if you're using a computer from 2007, it's time to upgrade, no ifs, ands, or buts. Your machine is hopelessly outdated, and will only encounter more and more problems as people stop supporting your OS and applications, and they slowly get eaten up by security hacks that nobody will patch against. It doesn't take that spiffy a new computer to handle Firestorm. You can get one from Best Buy for $429. (A Toshiba Satellite L755D-S5104 15-inch laptop. My roommate got one in February for that price. The key is to get something that doesn't use Intel graphics. Runs Windows 7 *and* Linux just fine.)<br /><br />What people are telling us about why they don't use Firestorm falls into one of three categories: it doesn't do what they need, they hate Viewer 2 and refuse to run it, or they can't run it on their system. We're fixing the first. The second is simply stubbornness, and I've got no time for that. The third? Wish I could help, but I can't buy every SL user a new machine.<br /><br />Viewer 1's day is coming. Oz said so in his own words on that recording. I'm not lying when I tell you that's what's going to happen. A lie is a deliberate falsehood. If LL changes course again, that makes me wrong, not a liar. At the moment, I'm neither.<br /><br />And as long as you accuse me of lying for telling it like I see it with facts to back it up - thereby, not a deliberate falsehood - you're directly attacking my integrity, something I'm very serious about. So no, I'm not going to let up, and I will happily stand and point at you and laugh when 1.23 and older versions of viewers can't use SL any more.Tonya Southerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14697801744191587576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3624489905439284137.post-17818736079387935782012-07-22T02:26:36.914-05:002012-07-22T02:26:36.914-05:00Full of horse puckey as always, Souther, and you k...Full of horse puckey as always, Souther, and you know it. Linden Lab isn't about to disable viewers the usage of which far surpasses their own according to statistics compiled and posted on new World notes. To turn off access to half the grid would simply be stupid, and even the people who run Linden Lab know that. So do you.<br /><br />You also know for a fact that the problems people have with Firestorm have little to do with "old" computers and everything to to with the inherent instability and user-unfriendliness in Firestorm. The interface is still the same unusable mess it always has been, the viewer still crashes on startup or refuses to start at all, people are still reporting glitches, and it still uses far more computer resources than Singularity, Cool VL, and Singularity. Even assuming the "old computers" lie at face value, you're making a pretty big assumption about people's finances. A lot of people simply haven't got a few hundred or a few thousand dollars to spend on a spiffy new computer that can handle the bloated unstable mess that is Firestorm, and it's simply dumb to assume that they can go out and get new computers even if that were the reason most people who don't use Firestorm aren't using it.<br /><br />if you'd pull your head out of your rear end, stop lying to people, and cease the condescending elitist attitude, you'd be surprised at the change in how people respond to your baloney.Archangel Mortenwoldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09311166587338208238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3624489905439284137.post-3813031226915560052012-07-20T17:12:51.598-05:002012-07-20T17:12:51.598-05:00I'd love to make a counter argument to this po...I'd love to make a counter argument to this post and I'd love for Phoenix to still be around for the people who use it.<br /><br />But I really can't, Phoenix has been on borrowed time since Mesh implementation and I said when Mesh came in people would "have to go to a V2/3 viewer" Henri proved me wrong that time, I'm not sure he can do it again.<br /><br />It's time to put all Phoenix volunteers onto Firestorm, it's time to pack up the old and bring in the new.August Lusch-Painehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11551586915205846996noreply@blogger.com